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The Morgan Housel Podcast

How I Think About Debt

The Morgan Housel Podcast

Morgan Housel

Business

4.91.1K Ratings

🗓️ 2 June 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Thanks to my friends at ⁠⁠Ramp⁠⁠ -- the best expense accounting system I've seen. For more check out ⁠⁠ramp.com/morgan.

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0:00.0

I once heard this great story from a comedian who said his career started falling apart when he realized that he was spending so much time managing and producing his act,

0:07.6

that he had less time doing what made his act great to begin with, which was analyzing everyday life and making jokes about it.

0:14.2

I see this so often in business. The more successful you become, the more your time is pulled away from the thing that made you successful to begin with. One of those things that can suck up valuable time is expense management,

0:25.9

and that is why I and 25,000 other businesses use Ramp. Ramp is a corporate card that includes

0:31.6

the best expense tracking and reporting software that I have ever seen, automatically capturing

0:37.0

every transaction the moment your card is swiped.

0:39.5

It saves you time.

0:41.5

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0:44.9

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0:47.6

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0:57.5

I wrote M years ago in a brief moment of trying to write silly things about money that

1:03.2

debt may have ruined more lives than some drugs, but drugs are illegal and debt is tax

1:10.0

deductible.

1:11.4

Kind of crazy when you think about it. And look, I am not a debt zealot. I think debt can be a

1:17.0

wonderful thing and plays a wonderful role in society and can be used responsibly by people and

1:24.1

companies and governments. I'm not anti-debt at all, but like all good things,

1:28.3

it can be taken way too far and very easy to ignore and not understand the dangers and the

1:36.8

downsides of what you're using. And of course, that is the long thousands of years history

1:42.9

with debt. And so today I just want to talk a little bit

1:46.0

about the philosophy of how I think about debt. And the reason I wanted to put this together

1:51.1

is because it is so often among laypeople and financial professionals that when they talk

1:56.5

about debt, they hone in like a laser beam on one statistic, and that is the interest rate.

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