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In this episode, Gary talks to Nathan Chan of Founder about how he manages his time between work and family, whether he sets goals for himself and managing the expectations of employees at VaynerMedia.

I'm going to ask you the same question I ask every single one of the guests that come in a shower. How did you get your job?

Well, my job came to me, you know, depends on how you define my job. I mean, my current job is predicated on my prior career, but my first job ever was working for my dad's liquor store as a stockboy.

And so I have the fortune aspect of being in a family business. I really think the true answer to your question is most people know me that listen to this or as most people discover me from this and get to know me.

The answer is probably by starting a wine show on YouTube within the first year that YouTube came out called Wine Library TV, which brought me into the Web 2.0 world and brought me exposure and started the journey of having awareness with people about my thoughts and things that I did that have really created the infrastructure for the content I put out to the world.

When I go, you know, I've been running founder for about two and a half years and I remember watching this video. I never heard of you in the first video I ever watched was with that I saw with you.

You said something that was really, really striking to me is you looked at the camera and you said the reason I am speaking to you and you're looking at the camera saying the reason I am speaking to you is because I've worked harder than you.

And you've just got this ridiculous mentality around hustle and drive and I really want to tap into that and find like where did that come from man.

I think so thank you and I pulled that move once or twice on camera so and it's a good one right because it strikes so deep and I'll tell you why Nathan you know doing what you do you come across a lot of experts,

do ruse thought leaders you probably at this point I'm giving you a compliment I could be wrong but I'm asking you I'm short some level you feel pretty good about your radar of who's completely full of shit who's got some level of chops and who's got more chops right I assume that's something you probably pride yourself in yeah yeah for sure.

And the reason I asked that and we don't know each other that well so the reason I actually just said that was not to give myself a pat on the back and say oh and then you think I do it's actually because you clearly resonated.

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