How Human is AI? (Robert Wright & Michal Kosinski)

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🗓️ 11 April 2023

⏱️ 60 minutes

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0:36 How freaked out is Michal by current AIs? 9:30 Why "theory of mind" (aka cognitive empathy)—even in humans—is mind-blowing 16:00 Michal’s theory-of-mind experiments with AI 19:49 Bob’s theory-of-mind experiments with AI 29:21 Do large language models construct representations of concepts? 42:26 Does AI have subjective experience? 49:56 What human neural networks do that AI doesn't

Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Michal Kosinski (Stanford University). Recorded April 04, 2023.

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0:00.0	You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.
0:27.5	Hi, Mihoi. Hi, Mihal.
0:40.9	Hi, Bob.
0:42.3	How you doing?
0:43.6	I'm very well.
0:44.5	Thank you for heading.
0:45.9	My pleasure.
0:46.8	Let me introduce us.
0:47.5	I'm Robert Wright, publisher of the Non-Zero Newsletter.
0:49.5	This is the Non-Zero podcast.
0:51.0	You are Mihal Kozinski, a, let's see, your official title, I guess is
0:55.8	Associate Professor in Organizational Behavior, Stanford University Graduate School of Business.
1:02.9	And you and I are going to talk about artificial intelligence. And you've done a lot of work
1:09.3	on what you might call kind of the intersection of psychology
1:12.7	and the digital age. The thing of yours that got my attention was a paper you posted recently
1:21.5	called Theory of Mind may have spontaneously emerged in large language models, which was based on your work
1:30.0	with various generations of the chat GPT. And we'll explain, we'll get to what you mean by
1:36.3	theory of mind and what you mean by spontaneously emerged, a very intriguing phrase.
1:41.0	First, let me ask you, a lot of people are amazed and or freaked out now about
1:49.1	AI, specifically about the capabilities of the large language models, GPT in particular, and GPT4
1:58.0	in particular. What is your degree of amazement and or freaked outness?
2:05.2	Well, if someone told me 10 years ago that would be experiencing this level of performance,
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