Welcome to the Breakpoint podcast. It's our weekly Q&A segment, Ask the Colson Center,

joined again for another performance by The Great, the one and only, Michael Craven,

who is the National Director of the Colson Center's Colson Fellows program, and has got one of the coolest beards.

And if you're not watching this online, if you're just listening to it in the podcast,

you can't really get the full picture of what it is to do a conversation with Michael

in a room that is like red.

It looks, there's something like really like 70s rock and roll nefarious

happening on happening in michael's red room with lots of cool books and his wicked beard it's just

all together it creates a a recipe for excellence so michael great to have you back on the podcast

john thank you good to be here.

So we got lots of interesting questions, and let's see if we can pile through as many of

them as we can. We do. We have a lot of great questions. I'm going to jump right into it.

First question from this listener is, you seem to insinuate, I would argue you do more than insinuate in this sense,

that our faith should be present in our work. He goes on to say, I felt as a professor that my

research was a search for truth and a valid means of integrating my work and faith. However,

when I went to a trial on gay adoption in 2008, the ACLU lawyers tried to rip my

credibility apart based largely on my previous statement about integrating faith and work,

as they wanted to convince the court that my stance meant that my research and expert opinion

was irretrievably biased and hence wrong. So since then, I've been a bit skeptical

about this approach, as it led to the court discrediting my research. I know we need to be

prepared for this backlash, but is there a third way something you've mentioned before that

I'm missing here? Yeah, I appreciate your comment.

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