How ‘Hacks’ Fulfilled Viewers’ Ultimate Lesbian ‘Fantasy’

Obsessed: The Podcast

The Daily Beast

Tv & Film

4.5 • 686 Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Kevin Fallon sits down with Jen Statsky for a deep dive into the final season of Hacks — from the emotional reality of saying goodbye after nearly a decade with the show to the long-planned ending that’s about to leave fans stunned. Jen opens up about crafting the complicated Deborah-Ava relationship, the viral “shipping” discourse, and why the writers never let fan theories dictate the story. She also shares behind-the-scenes details about filming in Paris, the emotional cast moments that made everyone cry, and the hilarious fan-service moments coming in the final episodes — including Jimmy’s unforgettable nude scene and the fake-lesbian-couple scheme that gives viewers the Deborah and Ava dynamic they’ve been obsessing over for years. Plus: Jean Smart’s brilliance, why casting a dramatic actress instead of a real comedian changed everything, Designing Women nostalgia, Emmy-season chaos with Lisa Kudrow’s The Comeback, and why Jen believes great sitcoms should end before they overstay their welcome. Follow Kevin Fallon on Instagram ⁠@kpfallon⁠ Follow Matt Wilstein on Instagram ⁠@mattjwilstein⁠ New episodes every Thursday, and Saturday; ⁠early drops on YouTube⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	I'm Rachel and I have a new show Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch.
0:05.0	It's an otherworldly comedy podcast where I, along with my co-host Irene Bremis,
0:09.8	talk to my funny friends about their own experiences with the eerie and the unknown.
0:14.3	Psychics, spirits, astro projection, check, check, and check.
0:18.5	You may think we live in a world where there's a logical explanation for anything out of the ordinary.
0:22.7	But after you spend some time with me and my pals, you might have your doubts and find that you too are woo-woo.
0:29.2	So when the lobsters come for us, when our lobster overlords come, you heard it here first.
0:36.1	Join me for a podcast that turns the mysterious tales of my funny friends into a spirited conversation.
0:42.3	Search for Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch, wherever you're listening now.
0:50.8	In episode 7, they pretend to be lovers as part of this scheme. We watched them acting out
0:56.7	this fantasy that a lot of fans have had about them. I think the thing that's so fun about this
1:01.0	episode is so much of Deborah and Ava's real true relationship is the fabric on which the quote
1:07.6	unquote lie is built on. It's the real stuff that fans of the show have watched and seen for five seasons.
1:14.4	We knew it would be a very comedic premise.
1:17.5	And then with their performances, just knocked it out of the park.
1:20.8	It was just such a highlight of the show.
1:25.2	Hello and welcome to another episode of Obsessed the podcast. I'm Kevin Fallon here to
1:30.5	guide you through all the TV shows, movies, and pop culture nonsense that we think is unmissible.
1:36.8	And obviously right now, for me, that is the final seasons of two of the greatest comedy
1:42.4	series that we've ever had, hacks and the comeback.
1:47.7	The comeback just aired its series finale.
1:50.0	And while I'm so sad to see it go, I'm so happy for what we had, which is this perfect treasure trove of comedy, masterfulness from Lisa Kudrow.
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