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Afford Anything

How Hackers Are Stealing Your Retirement $50 at a Time, with former CIA hacker Dr. Eric Cole

Afford Anything

Paula Pant | Cumulus Podcast Network

Entrepreneurship, Business, Investing

4.63.4K Ratings

🗓️ 13 June 2025

⏱️ 108 minutes

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Summary

#616: Two school teachers in Ohio saved their entire lives for one dream — buying a farm.  When they inherited $1.3 million and found the perfect property for $1.2 million, everything seemed perfect.  Five days before closing, they received what looked like a legitimate email from their closing company with wire transfer instructions. They sent the money and showed up at closing, only to discover they'd been scammed.  The email was fake, sent by hackers who had infiltrated the closing company's servers for months, waiting for exactly this type of high-value cash deal. That story comes from cybersecurity expert Dr. Eric Cole, who joins us to explain why ordinary people have become prime targets for cybercriminals.  Cole, a former CIA hacker who served as cybersecurity commissioner under President Barack Obama and advises high-profile clients including Bill Gates' personal estate, has a message: if you think you're too small to be targeted, you're wrong. While billion-dollar companies deploy teams of 60 cybersecurity professionals, you have virtually no protection.  Criminals know this. They're not trying to steal $100 million from one person anymore — they're stealing $50 from thousands of people every month.  You probably won't notice the small amounts vanishing from your accounts. Cole calls it "death by a thousand cuts," and it's happening right now. We talk through the most common attacks targeting your money. Bank hacking is simpler than most people realize. All criminals need is your account number — printed on every check you write — and your password. With that information, they can often perform electronic fund transfers of up to 50 percent of your account balance without triggering alerts. We also cover the China-TikTok connection, secure messaging options, and why Cole helped configure President Obama's smartphone to connect to fake cell towers that masked his actual location. Cole's bottom line: cybersecurity isn't just for tech companies anymore. Criminals are targeting ordinary people because we're easier prey than heavily protected corporations. Your money is under threat. Here's how to protect it.  Timestamps: Note: Timestamps will vary on individual listening devices based on dynamic advertising run times. The provided timestamps are approximate and may be several minutes off due to changing ad lengths. (0:00) Introduction (1:17) Why ordinary people are cybercrime targets (2:29) The "death by a thousand cuts"  (4:05) How criminals destroy your credit with fake accounts (5:19) Cryptocurrency wallet attacks and empty life savings (6:08) Elder scams and the devastating impact on families (8:24) Different types of cyber attacks explained (8:44) Bank hacking  (14:25) Phishing scams using fake toll messages (18:53) Ransomware as a legitimate Russian business (23:44) How scams and cybersecurity overlap (35:31) Paula's phone security audit  (49:54) Smartphone security for high-profile individuals (54:55) TikTok's data collection and Chinese government access (59:44) Real estate scams targeting cash buyers (1:12:18) Essential security rules  (1:27:05) What to keep in a fireproof safe https://affordanything.com/episode616 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

What if invisible digital threats are putting your money at risk right now?

0:06.0

Cybersecurity might be the overlooked weak point of your financial plan

0:11.6

because getting scammed, getting hacked, these are things that could ruin your retirement

0:17.4

and put a serious dent in your net worth.

0:20.6

We're going to discuss that and how to protect yourself in today's episode.

0:25.4

Welcome to the Afford Anything podcast, the show that understands you can afford anything, but not everything.

0:31.5

Every choice carries a tradeoff.

0:34.1

This show covers five pillars.

0:35.8

Financial Psychology, increasing your income, investing, real estate, and entrepreneurship.

0:40.4

It's double eye fire.

0:41.9

I'm your host, Paula Pant.

0:43.3

I trained in economic reporting at Columbia.

0:46.0

Today's episode focuses on protecting your wealth and protecting your business in the digital age.

0:52.8

Dr. Cole, our guest today, is a former CIA hacker who is now a cybersecurity expert who has

1:00.1

advised multiple major companies.

1:03.0

He's been inducted into the Infosec Hall of Fame, and he served on President Obama's

1:07.8

Commission on Cybersecurity.

1:09.8

Welcome, Dr. Cole.

1:15.4

Why should any ordinary person who's listening to this right now care about cybersecurity?

1:22.1

How does it affect their money?

1:24.1

The short answer is you're a target.

1:26.7

Most people don't realize that, because here's the

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