Welcome to M.K. True Crime. I'm Phil Holloway. I'm a criminal lawyer. I'm a former prosecutor,

and I'm an ex-cop. And most importantly, today, I am back from Tucson, Arizona, where I was on the ground all last week for the Nancy Guthrie investigation.

And so now I'm very pleased to tell you that we have a lot on our docket today.

And we're going to start, of course, with Nancy Guthrie.

And as of the taping of this show today, which is Thursday, February the 19th, Nancy

Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of today's show host, Savannah Guthrie, is still missing.

So the question becomes, could Nancy have been taken across the border to Mexico?

We'll talk about that and we'll share with you what investigators are saying and what they are not saying.

And then later in the show, we have DNA expert, C.C. Moore. She joins us to break down the

investigative genetic genealogy options. Investigators are now exploring in this case.

I'm very pleased and happy to be joined by my co-host today, my friend, Ashley Merchant,

criminal defense lawyer from Atlanta, Georgia, Ashley.

I've got to talk to you now first out of the gate about Sheriff Nannos because there's, you know,

he's been generating a lot of news.

I think every time he says anything to anybody, it's picked apart, whether it's a good thing to say, whether it's a bad thing to say, whether

it's an appropriate thing to say. And one thing that sort of caught my eye, Ashley, is, you know,

the sheriff posing this question. It's almost like he's sort of wondering and speculating.

He's, he stated to Fox 10, he said, you know, is there proof of death?

So let's roll SOT 2, and then we'll talk about that.

Again, the sheriff's belief from day one that Nancy's still here.

You have no proof.

Nobody does that she's not, that she's deceased.

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