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How Frog Embryos Landed a Scientist in ICE Detention

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The Wall Street Journal

Daily News, Business News, News

4.25.3K Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2025

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Earlier this year, Harvard scientist Kseniia Petrova landed at Boston Logan Airport with samples of frog embryos in her luggage. Those samples cost Petrova her visa and kickstarted an asylum claim that landed her in an ICE detention facility in Louisiana. WSJ’s Michelle Hackman explains that Petrova’s case represents an aggressive shift in the Trump administration’s stance towards immigrants with visas. Jessica Mendoza hosts. Further Listening: -Trump 2.0: Trade Wars and Deportation Battles   -A New Phase in Trump’s Immigration Fight  Sign up for WSJ’s free What’s News newsletter .  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi. Yes, hello. Kessena, thank you so much for taking the time to chat with us again. My name is Jess.

0:17.2

Appreciate you doing this. It sounds like it's pretty crazy over there. How are you?

0:22.3

Yeah, hello, hello, hello. I'm fine. I mean, as much as I can.

0:29.7

That's Kesey Petrova. She's a scientist at Harvard Medical School, studying how cells in the human

0:35.3

body rejuvenate themselves. But right now, Kisenya is

0:39.3

trapped. Instead of calling from her lab in Massachusetts, she's calling from an immigration detention

0:44.8

center in Louisiana. We just had to have a lunch, so we just came back to our dorm. A lot of noise

0:52.9

and things are going. You said you're in your dorm? See a lot of noise and things are going.

0:55.8

You said you're in your dorm?

0:57.7

See a lot of people behind you.

1:00.0

Yes.

1:00.3

Oh, yeah, okay.

1:01.4

You can see.

1:02.5

So this is a room where all our life is currently happening.

1:08.7

So it's a big, big room.

1:10.3

You can see on the part of it, and they can, if I remove

1:13.0

my face. I spoke with Kesey over a video call. She was in a big room made of metal and concrete,

1:20.5

filled with rows of bunk beds. Behind Kessena, I could just make out dozens of people milling around,

1:26.4

all seeming to wear the same khaki jumpsuit.

1:29.3

But despite her surroundings, Kessanya seemed in good spirits, laughing nervously.

1:34.3

I asked her what life was like in detention.

1:37.2

The food is absolutely terrible.

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