Welcome to The New York Times Podcast, your rainbow cookie without the chocolate of music

news and criticism I'm your host, John Caramonica.

This is not the end of the world.

This is an invitation to dance.

You can write your rave, let's rave, I'm zooted off the bang energy drink cotton candy

flavor because we're here to talk about the big things on the dance floor.

If you have been paying attention to nightlife and club culture in the last couple of years,

you certainly know about Fred again.

That may be a good thing, it might be a bad thing, TVQH depending how you look at it.

But Fred again has become one of the most signature producers working today has had a string

of really thoughtful albums over the last couple of years and has been making friends

all over the spectrum.

Today we're going to talk about the rise of Fred again, what it means for dance music,

we're talking about it with foster camera, aka feck money, aka the best media critic, not working

as a media critic, who profiled Fred for the paper last year, foster in the Zach Bryan T-shirt,

so you know it's real, repping hard, foster welcome to pop gas, first time, first time,

pleasure, super excited, then looking forward to this.

Okay, I want to get the harsh stuff out of the way, right off rip.

I like Fred again, okay? Yeah, I do, we wouldn't be here if I didn't.

Sometimes, sometimes I do listen to Fred again and think it's giving Moby's play.

Yeah, he's very divisive a lot of, he's much more divisive among the music critic community,

than the electronic music community, I would say, but he is divisive.

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