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The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

How Foucault Led To Tumblr - Tracing the history of The Identity Trap with Yascha Mounk

The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Meghan Daum

Society & Culture

4.7855 Ratings

🗓️ 25 September 2023

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

How did we get tangled up in a knot of identity obsession, grievance, and one-upmanship? We can look to philosophers like Gayatri Spivak, Edward Said, Derrick Bell, Kimberlé Crenshaw and, of course, Michel Foucault. And then we can blame it all on Tumblr!

In his new book, The Identity Trap - A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time, Yascha Mounk discusses his theory of "the identity synthesis" and traces how the once niche views about race, sexual orientation, and gender identity went from marginal to mainstream.

In the bonus, we talk about Yascha's childhood, his feelings about his age, and his conception of happiness. (He recommends Jonathan Rauch's 2018 book The Happiness Curve.)

GUEST BIO

Yascha Mounk is a writer and academic who focuses on the crisis of democracy and the defense of liberal values. He has a BA in History from Trinity College Cambridge and a PhD in Government from Harvard University. Currently, he is a Professor of the Practice of International Affairs at Johns Hopkins University. Yascha also writes for The Atlantic, is a Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Founder of Persuasion. He has written five books, including The Identity Trap - A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time, which explores the influence of new ideas about race, gender identity, and sexual orientation. His work has been published in various major publications, such as The New York Times and Foreign Affairs.

Buy his new book here.

Follow his substack, Persuasion.

Listen to his podcast, The Good Fight.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

By the time the Tumblr comes along, one of the key innovations it has is a tagging system

0:08.6

where you can find people who tag themselves by certain kinds of terms or ideas all across

0:15.5

the world and certainly across the United States.

0:18.4

And that allows a kind of experimentation, a proliferation of different identity categories

0:23.0

that would just have been too marginal and too rare before

0:27.4

to actually command sort of enough members to be a real group.

0:34.4

Welcome to the unspeakable podcast.

0:36.5

I'm your host, Megan Daum. Or Megan Daum. It's up to you.

0:40.7

I'm still thinking about it. If you are someone who follows the current battles over free speech

0:45.6

and shifting definitions of liberalism, you are probably familiar with my guest.

0:51.0

Yasha Monk is a political scientist, an author, a podcast host, naturally, and the founder of

0:57.0

Persuasion, a digital magazine and community devoted to providing discussion forums about society,

1:02.9

politics, and culture. He is the author of several books, including a brand new book, The Identity

1:09.3

Trap, a story of ideas and power in our time. That book

1:13.6

offers a comprehensive overview of the modern identity movement and its relationship to ideas about

1:19.3

social justice. And it traces that movement's origins back to a number of thinkers, including

1:24.8

Michelle Foucault and leads us right up to the emergence of Tumblr.

1:29.7

In this conversation, we talk about all of that, as well as Yash's work with persuasion,

1:34.7

his relationship to America, he was born and raised in Germany, and his experience as a professor

1:39.9

he teaches at Johns Hopkins University. If you are a paying subscriber to the substack for this podcast, you can hear Yasha

1:48.2

stay overtime and talk about his feelings about aging.

1:51.9

He's 41, spoiler, our mutual feelings about the changing media landscape, and a lot more.

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