This is the reason interview with Nick Gillespie, where I go deep with the artists, entrepreneurs, and scholars who are making the world a more libertarian, or at least a more interesting place by championing free minds and free markets.

My guest today is Sarah McLaughlin. She's a senior scholar at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. You know it as fire.

And she's the author of the new book Authoritarians in the Academy, how the internationalization of

higher education and borderless censorship threaten free speech. We discuss how governments in places

like China and the United Arab Emirates are restricting academic

freedom and expression not just in their own countries, but at colleges and universities

right here in America. And we talk about whether it was a good idea for comedians to agree to

censor their material at Saudi Arabia's Riyadh comedy festival and what to make of Donald

Trump's continuing minimization of the murder of Washington Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi

by Saudi operatives.

Here is the Reason interview with Sarah McLaughlin.

Sarah McLaughlin, thanks for talking to Reason.

Thanks for having me.

Okay, the new book you have out from Johns Hopkins Press is Authoritarians in the Academy,

and this is about how foreign interference in higher education threatens free speech, even in America,

not to mention their own countries.

Let's talk about that in just a second.

But first, while we're taping this, and Donald Trump has just recently kind of suggested

something that is relevant to Fires' mission, as well as your interest, which is that

the contributor to the Washington Post, who was hacked to death, the Saudi contributor to the

Washington Post, Jamal Khashoggi, was hacked to death at the apparent command of

MBS, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, in the Turkish embassy some years ago,

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