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The Business of Fashion Podcast

How Food Can Foster Tolerance

The Business of Fashion Podcast

The Business of Fashion

Fashion & Beauty, Business, Arts

4.6770 Ratings

🗓️ 7 April 2023

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Restaurateurs Asma Khan and Judy Joo share how food can bridge cultures and bring people together.  


Background:


Food may be a universal experience, but the culinary world has a long patriarchal history. Throughout their own tenures in the industry, chef and philanthropist Asma Khan, who owns London’s Darjeeling Express restaurant, and restaurateur and author Judy Joo, who operates the eatery Seoul Bird, faced a long line of roadblocks. At BoF VOICES, both shared how they struggled to find restaurant spaces, were talked over in meetings and consistently saw Western cuisines prized above all else.


But it was through their respective journeys that Joo and Khan realised the depth of the relationship between food and politics, and how it can be used to help open people’s minds. 


This week on The BoF Podcast, Khan and Joo discussed being women of colour in the male-dominated food world, as well as how food can be a vehicle for cross-cultural sharing and acceptance. 


“The more you learn about other cultures, you learn about tolerance, you learn about mindfulness, and you learn to respect each other more,” said Joo. 

 

Key Insights:


  • After working in careers in law and finance, both Joo and Khan’s passion for cooking pushed them to pursue careers in food. “I pursued a career in fixed income derivatives for about five or six years, and then I had an epiphany and I decided, you know, I can't chase a pay cheque anymore,” said Joo. “I really want to chase my passion… I just wanted to cook and eat. 
  • Patriarchal structures are reflected in the way the people eat, something Khan witnessed firsthand growing up. “I learned as a young woman in India that in our society, in every meal, women ate last, girls ate least, this was how it was,” said Khan.
  • While hosting “supper clubs” out of her own kitchen, Khan more deeply understood how difficult it was to draw a line between food and culture. “I want to tell people you cannot take my food and separate culture from it. I won't let you eat it… You break bread with me. You have a conversation about my food,” said Khan. 
  • Though she — and her cuisine — have faced prejudice, Joo said Korean pop culture like “Squid Game” and “Money Heist: Korea” has opened more people’s eyes. “Food is so often the entry point to learning about a new culture,” she said. 


Additional Resources:


  • BoF VOICES 2022: Creativity and Its Power to Change: From South Korea and Japan to Ghana and Ukraine, speakers including Fast Retailing’s Koji Yanai, photographer Campbell Addy and stylist Julie Pelipas discussed the power of culture and creativity in the fourth session of BoF’s annual conference for big thinkers.


You can catch up on all the videos from BoF VOICES on our YouTube channel, please follow this link.



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0:00.0

Hi, this is Imran Ahmed, founder and CEO of the Business of Fashion.

0:08.4

Welcome to the BOF podcast. It's Friday, April 7th.

0:12.8

Like fashion, the food industry has long been a powerful enabler of cost cultural sharing and entrepreneurship.

0:19.9

Our two guests on this week's episode of the

0:22.0

BOF podcast are emblematic of this as two of the most prominent female chefs in the UK.

0:28.4

Asma Khan owns and runs London's Darjeeling Express restaurant, whose first location happened to be in

0:34.4

Kingley Court, the same building where we at B.O.F had our first offices.

0:39.6

Asma is an unstoppable force for social change in the food industry.

0:43.8

Judy Zhu is a Korean-American restaurateur, presenter, and author, and has her own restaurant called

0:50.2

Soul Bird. Judy left her career working on Wall Street to pursue her passion for food.

0:55.9

On this week's episode of the BOF podcast, Judy and Asma have a conversation to discuss how

1:01.1

food fits into our broader cultural landscape and share their learnings from charting

1:05.8

careers in the food industry as women of color. Here are Judy Jew and Asma Khan on the B-O-F podcast.

1:14.5

Thank you, Mimbraon. I thought it would be a little bit useful just for us to share a little bit

1:18.8

about our backgrounds, just put ourselves in context. I think my entire childhood and upbringing

1:23.4

my destiny was to be on the fringes. I grew up in a patriarchal society and I feel that hospitality,

1:33.5

which is my industry, is like a Mayfair all-male club where women can be occasional guests,

1:40.6

but you never really belong and I do not belong. I am on the fringe of hospitality, but I was also on the fringe of the society where I grew

1:50.0

up.

1:51.0

I was born from both sides, father and mother's side from a royal family.

1:55.0

And of course I wasn't the blessed boy, which is always a problem.

2:00.0

But I presume that just like all the other girls in my family,

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