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I'm Elise Hugh, you're listening to TED Talks Daily.

Ava Duverne is a right Please Hugh, you're listening to Ted Talks Daily.

Ava Duverne is a writer, producer, and filmmaker in Hollywood.

She has just released an ambitious film, inspired by Isabel Wilkerson's book, Cast.

And she sat down with Ted Women Editorial Director Pat Mitchell at Ted Women 2023

to talk through the movie-making landscape today

and how to make an impact with storytelling.

Coming up after a break.

So Ava, I told you this already that thank you for the special privilege to see the film.

Here I will tell you you absolutely must see origin when it comes to a theater.

But knowing the book and how complex and challenging

and how deeply researched the thesis

of this monumental piece of work, that I said left my heart pounding in my mind reeling.

What inspired you to take this project on and translate to a feature film?

Well I'm always happy to sit with you so thank you for having me.

You know people told me this was an unadaptable book so the only logical thing to do is to try to adapt it.

But the book really grabbed me.

The first time I read it, I was taken by the fact that I didn't quite get it. And frustrated me so I read it again and I just I read it three

times and started to feel really connected to some of the stories and some of the characters

that the author uses to bring us into this idea that she has, this thesis that so much of our

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