How feminist economics could change Europe

The Europeans | European news, politics and culture

Katy Lee and Dominic Kraemer

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🗓️ 26 February 2026

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Imagine what would happen if our political, cultural, and economic leaders began to reconsider what it means to create “value” in Europe. What if we were supported to rest, to look after our families, and to enjoy ourselves and our communities as much as we’re encouraged to generate capital? What would it look like for Europe to translate its wealth into greater wellbeing?

These are some of the big questions raised by Emma Holten, two-time Europeans guest and author of the book Deficit: How Feminist Economics Can Change Our World, now being translated into a dizzying number of languages. This week, we’ve devoted the entire show to our conversation with Emma about what “feminist economics” means and how it could change things for the better – not just for women, but for everyone.

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to The Europeans, the podcast that dares to believe that two people chatting about European news can be more than just a sleep aid.
0:33.1	Though, if you are using us to drift off, your dreams this week will be filled with images of
0:38.0	alternative societies led by feminist economics. That's our big topic of the week. I'm Dominic
0:45.1	Kramer in Amsterdam and I'm speaking with fellow Eurodreamer Katie Lee in Paris. Hi Katie. How's
0:52.1	it going over there? Do you really think people are falling asleep to this
0:55.8	podcast? I mean, I hope so. Do you? I mean, my favourite podcasts are my falling asleep to podcasts.
1:02.9	Oh, you think it's flattering rather than suggesting that we have soporific voices that put people to
1:08.4	sleep? I do think there's an element of flattering to it. Although, to be honest, I don't think many people are falling asleep to this because
1:13.5	we too often talk about things that they don't want to experience in their dreams, like
1:18.7	geopolitical dramas.
1:20.3	Always fun.
1:21.3	The Good Week, Bad Week Jingle is also sure to wake people up.
1:24.5	In any case, if you are falling asleep to this right now, wake up,
1:28.2	because we have a great conversation for you. Yes, yes, even if it's midnight, up you get. It's so good, in fact, this conversation that we have decided to make it the whole of this week's episode. Should I tell you about this week's guest? Yes, please too. This is one of those ones where if I was falling asleep to it, I would pause it and be like,
1:44.9	no, no, no, I'm going to save this for tomorrow.
1:46.6	This is for the morning.
1:47.5	Put on a nice history podcast instead. Yes, this week's guest, she is actually someone whose voice would be familiar to the truly diehard listeners of the Europeans because she's been on the show before all the way back in 2020, if you'll believe it.
2:02.0	Her name is Emma Holton. She is from Denmark slash Sweden.
2:06.1	And when she came on the show all those years ago, it was to talk about something pretty
2:09.9	different to what she's talking about today. Emma came on the show after her online accounts
2:15.4	got hacked and naked photos that she had sent to her boyfriend at the time
2:19.9	got leaked onto the internet and viewed by many strangers.
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