It's the Brian Laird Show on WNYC.

I'm Bridget Bergen, senior reporter in the WNYC and Gothamist Newsroom, filling in for Brian today.

Now, let's look at the new Trump administration's effort

to remake the federal bureaucracy through Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency

or Doge, with sweeping actions that are shaking of Washington and the people who rely on the

agencies now in disarray through freeings, firings, and takeovers.

The legality of all of which is a little TBD.

And where do his comments on taking over Gaza fit in?

Andrew Procop joins us now.

He's a senior politics correspondent at Vox,

where he covers the White House elections and political scandals and investigations.

His latest article on this has the headline, what Trump and Musk are doing could change the American system forever.

Andrew, welcome back to the show.

Thanks so much for having me back.

And it's tough to know where to start.

As we look at the bigger picture of what the president and Elon Musk are doing to reshape a government

they see as determined to support them, either through inefficiency or liberal bias, do the president's

remarks on moving the Palestinians from Gaza and the U.S. taking it over fit into that effort?

Well, I think it's just the latest example of Trump feeling completely unchained. I don't

really view this as, you know, similar to the efforts to take on the deep state or transform

the American system.

This is the sort of, this falls into a genre, I think, of, you know, Trump saying something.

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