I. Welcome to ID the Future. I'm your host Andrew McDermott. My guest on this episode is Dr.

Brian Miller and our topic is how Evolutionary Fitness Landscapes bolster the conclusion of design and living things, and how this relates to the research of bioengineer Dr. Stuart Burgess.

Now Dr Miller is a senior fellow of Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture

where he serves as research coordinator. He holds a BS in physics with a minor in

engineering from MIT and a PhD in physics from Duke University. He helps to manage

the CSC's ID 3.0 research program and he speaks internationally on the topics of

intelligent design and the impact of world views on society.

Brian, welcome back.

It's a pleasure to be here.

So you've written recently at evolution news.org

about a recent paper published by Dr. Stuart Burgess

that demonstrates the genius and optimality of vertebrate limbs.

In your articles you point out that evolutionists have historically predicted, based on their theory,

that vertebrate limbs should often be poorly designed since they were the product of an undirected process.

But the more carefully these living systems are studied, the more evident it becomes that something quite different is going on.

Now, in one of your articles, you talk about the concept of evolutionary fitness landscapes.

This is an interesting method that visually plots an organism's fitness

within its environment. Can you tell us more about fitness landscapes?

Sure, it is, as you mentioned, just a simple way

to visualize the variation in populations

for some species.

So if you imagine, let's say a large field,

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