Hey y'all, DJ Louis here just dropping a preview of our latest pop pantheon All Access episode

in which senior editor at Pitchfork Anna Gautza joins me to discuss Dua's 2020 album Future Nostalgia.

We're deep diving back on this record on the eve of Duelipa's new era, which seems to be

kicking off in earnest at the moment.

So I thought it was the perfect time to reflect on the record that made Duelipa a superstar at the height of the pandemic almost four years ago.

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So here's a snippet of my conversation with Anna about Dula Lipa's future nostalgia. All right. So I'm here with Anna Gautza, senior editor at Pitchfork. Anna, welcome to the show. Oh my gosh. Hi, Louie. Hi. It's so good to be with you. I'm such a big fan of your work. This is a true honor. Thank you so much. Thank you for inviting me to talk about Dua Lipa's album Future Nostalgia.

My pleasure. I mean, okay, so let's just say that's why we're here. Doa Leapa appears to be on the

verge of a new era, although slightly shaky on exactly what's happening. She released this single

Houdini a couple of months ago. I don't think it's necessarily done as well as was hoped or in a way that

seems to like measure up to the success of all of the singles we're probably going to be speaking

about today in the context of this album. You reviewed Future Nostalgia in Pitchfork. You gave it,

I think, a very friendly review at the time. It was an interesting moment, obviously, for Doolipa in this

framework that we're going to talk about today, both in the sense that, like, this album, I think, established her pop stardom and career in a way that her first album didn't. It was, you know, a successful record, her initial album, but it was a little bit diffuse. It was kind of all over the plays, it sort of bubbled into a viral hit with new rules, which got big off of a viral music video. But I think this record kind of reimagined who Duelipa was as a pop star, as a superstar, as a star with ambition, as a star with scope, et cetera, et cetera. I'm curious, just before we get into the details of it, you liked this album when you listened to it and you reviewed it back in 2020 in the midst of the pandemic, obviously being the other really important groundwork for this record. It came out two weeks, I think, into us being on coronavirus lockdown. So a very particular moment in time that's going to define a lot of how we think about this record. I'm curious, like having gone back through it now, thinking about it as it's rolled out over the last three years, it had a very long

campaign with a lot of singles. It was kind of a old school rollout in many senses where, like,

you know, it had a long tail. Do you feel warmer, less warm on this record? And how have you

evolved in your thoughts about Dua, like over the last, let's say, nearly four years that this record has been in the world? I don't want to be boring, but I feel like I feel warmly about it then and I feel warmly about it now. And like as we've started to see a little bit more of like, do Alipa kind of come into her own as like a public figure. I'm like, yeah, this makes sense.

That's kind of who I thought you were.

And I like weirdly like respect her a lot.

She's someone who like her quotes tend to strike me as thoughtful.

She's got like a little bullshit ratio in what she says.

And it's not she's not going to hit every single time.

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