From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal, this is Free Expression with Jerry Baker.

Hello and welcome to Free Expression with me, Jerry Baker, from the Wall Street Journal editorial page.

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My guest this week is Jared Kushner. Jared, of course, spent four years serving as senior

advisors of the president in the White House of Donald Trump, his father-in-law. He was closely

involved in many of the Trump administration's major policymaking initiatives, especially the

negotiation of the Abraham Accords, the historic deal that produced normalization of relations between Israel and several Arab countries.

He was also key in the Trump administration's response to the COVID pandemic, some international economic initiatives, including the negotiation of USMCA, the trade deal with Canada and Mexico, and criminal justice reform.

He's out with a book that chronicles all this.

It's called Breaking History, a White House

Memoir, and Jared Kushner joins me now. Jared, welcome to the podcast. Thank you, Jerry. It's

great to be with you. Thanks for being here. Breaking history, you've picked a very apt title. I was

thinking of your father-in-law, President Trump, as a highly controversial figure in many ways, but the one

thing that probably his supporters and opponents, probably the single thing they agree on is that he did got to break

history. He broke the mold in all kinds of ways. The title of the book captures that, I think,

very well. As you look at that period and all of the tumult and all of the controversy,

what was it you think above all else about the disruption of the Trump presidency

that you look back or that you think about with most satisfaction or most pride?

So there's a lot of things, but I'm very proud of all the results that he achieved

economically and from a security point of view. So when I think of the job of a leader,

I think the job is number one to keep their people

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