“How Does This End Well?”
Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts
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4.6 • 3.4K Ratings
🗓️ 21 November 2020
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Dahlia Lithwick is joined by Joshua Matz to talk election lawsuits, Trump’s lawyers, Big Law, and whether the Biden administration will put “healing” ahead of justice in the post-Trump era.
In our Slate Plus segment, Mark Joseph Stern joins Dahlia to try to calibrate alarm about Michigan officials talking to the White House about certifying and uncertifying results. Plus, Amy Coney Barrett’s first SCOTUS vote on the death penalty and the State Supreme Court race in North Carolina that you might have missed, but has much to say about racism and the state of state of the judiciary.
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| 0:00.0 | There is a real here and now harm to the fact that the federal government has essentially stopped functioning as a federal government while the president throws this temper tantrum that threatens the guardrails of our democratic system. |
| 0:25.1 | Yeah. the guardrails of our democratic system. Hi, and welcome back to Amicus. |
| 0:27.9 | This is Slate's podcast about the courts, the law, the rule of law in the Trump era. |
| 0:33.9 | I am Dahlia Lithwick. |
| 0:35.1 | I cover those things and more for Slate magazine. Two weeks ago, |
| 0:40.1 | when we last checked in on this show, the 2020 presidential election was just about to be called |
| 0:45.9 | for Joe Biden. The podcast actually dropped early Saturday morning, November 7th. The election |
| 0:51.8 | was in fact called for Biden just a few hours later. |
| 0:55.5 | So here we are. It's been two weeks. Donald Trump has declined to concede the election. He has stymied |
| 1:01.7 | efforts by Biden's transition team to prepare to deal with a COVID pandemic that has now taken |
| 1:07.9 | 250,000 American lives and is worsening across the country. |
| 1:14.5 | Trump has fired high-ranking officials in the military and national security communities. |
| 1:18.8 | He's installed loyalists in various positions, and he's not allowing the Biden transition team |
| 1:24.1 | access to high-level national security briefings. |
| 1:29.5 | So here we are. Two weeks after the election has been called for Joe Biden. Trump is filing lawsuits left and right around the |
| 1:34.8 | country, trying to set aside state election results. This is just as Rick Hassan predicted two |
| 1:40.5 | weeks ago on the show, just fomenting the conviction around the country that the |
| 1:45.0 | election was illegitimate. Later on in the show, Slate Plus members are going to get to hear |
| 1:49.5 | from Mark Joseph Stern about that litigation and about a state Supreme Court race in North Carolina. |
| 1:55.6 | That segment is only accessible to Slate Plus members. Thank you. Thank you for being the support we need at the |
| 2:01.7 | magazine right now. If you are not a member, you can always sign up at slate.com slash amicus plus |
| 2:07.5 | and access bonus content like my conversation with Mark and add free versions of all of Slate's |
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