What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy.

Naomi Snyder welcome to call her daddy.

Thank you.

Naomi is a practicing psycho analyst in New York City and she lectures and publishes on the intersections

of social injustice and psychological struggle.

Prior to her work as a psycho analyst, Naomi worked as a lawyer in the human rights field.

I actually discovered your work, Naomi, by a recommendation from none other than the great Jane Fonda.

Oh my goodness, Jane Fonda has heard of this book that I was already excited I was like how on earth did Alex Cooper hear about this

book and to hear that it came to you through Jane Fonda, that blows my mind.

Wow.

She's truly, the day that I met her,

I think my life was changed forever.

She's incredible.

And I know obviously that you and psychologist Carol Gilligan co-authored this book that we're going to talk about a lot today called why does patriarchy persist.

And it was originally published five years ago and in your opinion I have to ask is

patriarchy still persisting?

Great question you know I think before I can even answer the question the first thing is to really even

answer sort of what is patriarchy right to even know like if it's still with us today and the reason I do that is because in my experience a lot of people see

Patriarchy as a shorthand for men versus women and I think the real like there are many problems with that reductive kind of view of it but one of the main ones to me is that it sort of completely obscures the the cost that patriarchy has for both men and women.

So like in terms of thinking about whether patriarchy persists today,

I'm really thinking about whether patriarchy persists

in terms of like the rules of the game.

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