How do you punish a mass shooter?
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🗓️ 5 July 2022
⏱️ 30 minutes
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Summary
Today on “Post Reports,” we talk about the chaos and terror at July Fourth celebrations over the holiday weekend. Then, we break down a big decision point for the Justice Department on whether to seek the death penalty in another recent mass shooting.
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In Highland Park, Ill., a holiday parade became a scene of horror as a gunman opened fire on the crowd.
At other celebrations in cities nationwide, the booming sounds of fireworks were apparently mistaken for gunshots, sending scores of revelers fleeing for cover.
“I think a big piece of what we saw on Monday is this loss of trust over the last several years,” reporter Marc Fisher said.
The rise of mass shootings in America has brought up so many complicated and sad questions: How are we supposed to live in a society where we have to be so fearful? What will it take to prevent these shootings from happening? And how do we punish the people who perpetrate unthinkable acts of violence?
Today, we are diving into that last question, in an interview with our colleague David Nakamura.
In the aftermath of the mass shooting in Buffalo, the Biden administration must decide whether to pursue the death penalty for the 18-year-old suspect. When he visited Buffalo last month, Attorney General Merrick Garland assured survivors and victims’ families that a full investigation was taking place. It’s a “death penalty eligible crime,” Garland said in a news conference. But this Justice Department is conflicted — civil rights advocates have long opposed capital punishment, saying that it is inhumane and disproportionately used against racial minorities.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, it's Martine. |
| 0:03.4 | Just a heads up in today's episode, we are going to be talking about mass shootings |
| 0:07.7 | and hearing some of the sounds of chaos at 4th July events across the country. |
| 0:16.6 | Over the holiday weekend, a shooter terrorized a community outside of Chicago in a suburb |
| 0:21.4 | called Highland Park. |
| 0:23.1 | The place where most Americans associate with home alone or Ferris Bueller's Day off. |
| 0:29.1 | This is senior editor Mark Fisher. |
| 0:31.3 | We wanted to talk to him to reflect a little on the scenes that we have all been processing |
| 0:36.5 | from this last 4th July weekend. |
| 0:39.2 | And like so many cities and towns across the country, Highland Park was celebrating the |
| 0:43.6 | holiday with a parade. |
| 0:46.0 | I mean, this was your standard issue, American 4th July parade with high school bands and |
| 0:52.8 | all kinds of cheerleaders and the regular ingredients of a 4th July celebration. |
| 0:59.7 | And people felt safe enough to come out and they were set up families on bridge chairs |
| 1:07.8 | along the sidewalks as the bands went by. |
| 1:11.4 | And it was just during one of those performances by a band, a local band, when these hollow |
| 1:18.7 | pops rang out. |
| 1:26.3 | And it's interesting to look at the video and see there was a delay. |
| 1:32.7 | There was a moment when no one could quite figure out what it was. |
| 1:38.4 | Was it gunfire? |
| 1:39.7 | Was it firecrackers? |
| 1:43.2 | 246 years of history says it's not necessarily a Fred could be a celebration. |
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