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The Inquiry

How do you move a capital city?

The Inquiry

BBC

News Commentary, News

4.61.7K Ratings

🗓️ 23 May 2019

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Indonesia has announced it is thinking of building a new capital city, moving the government away from Jakarta which is overcrowded and suffering from subsidence. Other countries, including Brazil, Kazakhstan, Russia and Tanzania have previously moved their capital cities, so just how difficult is the process, and can Indonesia learn from their mistakes?

(Photo: Jakarta's expanding skyline. Credit: Gerhard Joren/Getty Images)

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is the inquiry on the BBC World Service with me, Kavita Puri.

0:11.6

Each week, one question, four expert witnesses and an answer.

0:17.0

A group of women are standing around a community water pump on a street in Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia.

0:29.0

A mother crouches down, supporting her naked infant. She washes his body. He

0:36.0

wriggles but she has little option. It's the only place she can get clean

0:41.4

water. This mother, like nearly half the city, doesn't get

0:46.5

piped water into her home. She relies on these community pumps to bring it

0:51.7

all the way from the ground. But as the water is sucked out,

0:56.5

the city above, the land and buildings are sinking and fast

1:10.0

Some by up to 25 centimeters a year and as the city gets lower flooding is getting worse

1:16.4

The situation is so bad the government's announced it wants to build a whole new capital, an ambitious and costly endeavor. It would mean transferring the seats of government, judiciary and central bank to another place altogether.

1:28.0

That's even before you've thought of whether the new capital has the infrastructure, housing, industry and

1:35.6

transport links to the rest of the country.

1:39.7

So this week we ask, how do you move a capital city?

1:45.0

Part 1, the Master plan. I first visited Brasilia in 1985 and I absolutely fell in love with the poetry and

2:02.2

grandeur of Brasilia.

2:04.6

Although I have to say it was very difficult to love Brasilia in those days.

2:10.5

This is architect Thomas Decker. He worked in the capital of Brazil, Brasilia, for many years.

2:17.0

Until the 1950s, Rio de Janeiro was Brazil's capital, but... It was felt at the time that it suffered

2:27.9

from the corruption of what they called the luxury and pleasure of the beaches.

2:34.0

And they felt... the luxury and pleasure of the beaches.

2:34.0

And they felt the very easy and relaxed way of life

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