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Ask the Pastor with J.D. Greear

How Do You Handle It When a Christian Leader Falls?

Ask the Pastor with J.D. Greear

J.D. Greear

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9624 Ratings

🗓️ 10 April 2023

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

This week, Pastor J.D. answers the question, "How do you handle it when a Christian leader falls?"

Show Notes:

* Unfortunately, I think we can all think of a Christian leader that we’ve looked up to and respected who has fallen—either morally, disqualifying themselves from ministry, or denouncing the faith altogether. 

There are few things quite as devastating as when you look to someone as your spiritual hero and they fall. Sometimes it's someone you've seen from a distance whose teaching had a big impact on you and sometimes it's someone who is up close—maybe not everyone has heard of them but they've had a big impact on you.
This raises questions like, "Were they always a hypocrite or was this a moment of weakness they got in? Is everything they ever taught a lie?"
Sadly I can name several men that I've looked up to in ministry who have disqualified themselves from ministry. 


* There was a book that was written by Paul Trip called Dangerous Calling, which is about the danger of being called into ministry and the irony is if you open up the cover and see the names of the men who endorsed the book, they were all really good friends of mine and all of them except for one have fallen.

* So I asked Paul Trip about this and he said, "There are two things—number one they lose peer community. By peer community, I mean the kind of people that look into your life and call stuff out. They don't work for you. They're not impressed with you. They can speak truth to you. Most of those people community around them but not peer community. The second problem is something that compounds the first—they forget the power of indwelling sin. They think that somehow their success in ministry or how much they know moves them beyond that initial call to follow Jesus and die to yourself."


* I can tell you that even after being in ministry for over 25 years, the fight between the flesh and the spirit never goes away. It never gets easier. The raging of my flesh against God is as real as it ever was.
* So when that happens and it effects you personally and you're dealing with that disappointment, there's a few things I try to remind people.

* At their very best, they were still very flawed and they were never designed to be your savior. They were only to point to Christ. Now, hopefully they will point consistently to Christ by their life, but there are just a lot of figures in the Bible who started that way and then disappointed.


* Ultimately, the Christian leaders you look up to you are not there to be the object of your faith. They're just a means to point you to put your faith in him. 

 

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody, welcome to Ask Me Anything. My name is Matt Love. I'm here with Pastor J.D. Greer.

0:24.0

And we have a listener question today. That is, unfortunately, J.D., probably a little bit, a question

0:32.2

that's probably more common than we wish it was, but a question we know that a lot of people are asking.

0:38.6

So the question,

0:44.1

J.D, today is how do you handle it when a Christian leader falls? Yeah, Matt, that's a very,

0:48.8

it's a very painful question. And I know that for some of this, there are a few things quite as devastating as seeing somebody that you have looked at as a spiritual hero, a mentor, father or mother type figure

0:55.4

in the ministry that suddenly falls. Sometimes it's somebody you see from a distance whose teaching

1:00.4

has had a big impact on you or whose life is just modeled for you what it means to walk with

1:05.7

Jesus in incredible ways. Sometimes you, you know, somebody that's up close, maybe somebody that

1:10.2

not everybody's heard of,

1:11.4

but just had a big impact on you. And then you start raising questions like, well, were they always

1:16.2

a hypocrite or was this just a moment of weakness that they got caught in? Or was everything they

1:22.3

ever taught me a lie? I'll just tell you, I've had to wrestle through a lot of this because sadly,

1:37.3

a lot of the men that I looked up to in ministry, I could name several of them names you would probably immediately recognize who have disqualified themselves for ministry. There was a book that was written by Paul Tripp called Dangerous Calling, And it was on the danger of being called into ministry.

1:46.5

And the irony is if you open up the cover and look at all the names of the guys who endorsed the book,

1:52.4

they were all really good friends of mine.

1:54.4

And all of them except for one on that page of endorsements, all of them have fallen from ministry.

2:02.3

And so I asked Paul Tripp that.

2:07.7

Paul Tripp's a Christian counselor. And he said, he said something that I've never forgotten.

2:11.3

I've shared it in multiple contexts. In fact, I might even have shared it here and asked me anything,

2:20.9

but I think it bears repeating. As I said, why are these guys, why do mega church pastors and mega leaders, why do they seem to fall at such a high rate? And you kind of lean back in his chair and he stroked his humongous mustache and he said,

2:26.9

he said, well, there's two things and they're a deadly cocktail. As he said, number one is they lose

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