Hello and welcome to the Thinking Fellows podcast. My name is Caleb Keith, and today I am joined by

Bruce Hillman, Scott Keith and Adam Francisco. This is our regular cast of hosts on the Thinking

Fellows. We've had some guests on recently. We had Magnus Person on, and Bruce and I have done

some interviews in the past, too. so you can check those out if you're

curious but yeah this is our our regular cast I think is this the first time we've recorded

in 2024 probably not I'll lose track of this I think we recorded last one with the one with

Magnus was in 2024 but uh you know welcome to new thinking

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Today we are going to pick up sort of, I think, an extension of a couple other topics we have

done on the show about sort of the decline of Christianity or the retreat

of Christianity in the West and the United States. And we did this a little bit with Magnus

in Europe and stuff today. And I want to pick up sort of an extension of that Pew and

various other polling data that we talked about, which showed sort of between

2010 and 2021, I forget the end date of what we actually looked at. There was a 14% decline in

people who call themselves or associate with Christianity and a fort, I think it was like a 13.5% increase in those who say,

uh, willingness to say no religious affiliation at all. So sort of almost a one to one loss to gain

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