How do you keep doing your job when the entire industry around you has fallen apart?

This week, we're joined by journalist Jamal Bowie to talk about the shifting ground under our feet.

We talk about what it means to build something for yourself, the tension between speed and substance,

and why the institutions we thought were built to last might not be.

The creative economy may be broken, but some people are still making it work.

We're here to find out how.

I'm open Mike Eagle.

I'm Anna Marie Cox.

And this is past due.

Good morning.

Thanks for being here.

Oh, my pleasure to know.

It might be wherever you are.

We have a question that we always begin our conversations with our guests and it gets us right into the thick of things. And that question is, when's the last time that you felt worried

about covering your monthly expenses? It's been a while. I got to be honest. It's been a minute.

We like to hear that. We like to hear that. We really do.

It would have had been when I was like in my 20s and just was like not

working a particularly well-paying job.

It's as unfortunate as it is, it's surprising to hear that only because you're a journalist

and how difficult that's been for so many others to navigate.

So what do you think has been the reason things have been able to stay so stable for you?

For me?

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