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The Patrick Madrid Show

How Do We Know that Jesus is Present in the Eucharist? (Special Podcast Highlight)

The Patrick Madrid Show

Relevant Radio

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 590 Ratings

🗓️ 22 August 2024

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

John from Chanhassen, Minnesota, called in with a really great question that might have crossed your mind: How do we know that Jesus’ consecration at the Last Supper wasn't just a one-time thing, and how does it connect to every Mass since then? 

 

Patrick really dug into this one, turning to the Gospels—Matthew, Mark, and Luke—to show us that when Jesus said, “Do this in remembrance of me,” He wasn’t just telling the Apostles to act it out. He was commanding them to actually make the Eucharist happen just as He did, transforming the bread and wine into His Body and Blood. This isn’t just some symbolic gesture; it’s the real deal. St. Paul even backs this up in 1 Corinthians 11, where he warns about the serious consequences of receiving the Eucharist unworthily. If it were just a symbol, why would St. Paul say that you could bring judgment on yourself by not recognizing the Lord in the Eucharist? That’s pretty heavy stuff, right? 

 

Patrick also pointed out that this belief isn’t something the Church made up later—it’s been there from the start, backed by the early Church Fathers. But then came the Protestant Reformation, and that’s where things started to diverge. Martin Luther, for example, introduced this idea of consubstantiation—basically, that Christ’s presence is alongside the bread and wine, not actually replacing them. It was a bit off from Catholic teaching, but still closer than what others like John Calvin believed. And that’s how we ended up with all these different interpretations today.

 

To wrap things up, Patrick recommended a fantastic book called The Hidden Manna by Father James O’Connor. If you’re curious about what the Bible and the Church Fathers really say about the Eucharist, and how the Reformers lost their way on this, it’s definitely worth checking out.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Emails go to Patrick at Relevantradio.com. Let's go to John in Chanhassen, Minnesota. Good morning, John.

0:06.5

Good morning, Patrick. I have a question about the Eucharist that I've always wanted an answer to,

0:13.1

and I've never quite understood. At the last supper, when Jesus confected the bread and wine to his body and blood, why wasn't that

0:25.4

confection just for that one time? And how did that then apply to all of the subsequent masses

0:35.5

until the present day? Does that make sense?

0:39.3

I think so, yeah. It's a good question too. Well, in the Last Supper narrative,

0:46.3

so you can look at this not only in Matthew chapter 26, but also Mark chapter 14 and Luke chapter 22.

0:53.3

Those are the three parallel narratives of the Last Supper.

0:59.9

Matthew was present.

1:02.1

Mark and Luke were not present.

1:04.0

So keep that in mind.

1:06.0

Now, as you consider the narrative of what we're given in Matthew's Gospel,

1:12.4

now as they were eating, Jesus took bread and blessed and broke it and gave it to the disciples and said, take eat, this is my body.

1:18.3

And he took a cup. And when he had given thanks, he gave it to them saying, drink of it, all of you.

1:24.4

For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many and for the forgiveness

1:28.8

of sins. I tell you that I shall not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day

1:34.4

when I drink it in you with you in my father's kingdom. So that's the Mithaean version of it.

1:40.8

Now let's look at the Markin version of it. So we see the same thing, and it's almost verbatim

1:47.6

word for word until verse 25. Now let's look at the Luke in version of it, Luke 22. And here he says

1:57.1

the same thing, and then he identifies Judas as the one who will betray him.

2:04.5

So when Jesus says to the apostles these words, he has a particular meaning in mind.

2:10.7

St. Augustine in his narrations on the Psalms, he says that when Jesus held the bread in his hands and said, this is my body,

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