How Do We Heal from Depression?

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Gwyneth Paltrow

Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Education

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🗓️ 2 July 2019

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Psychiatrist Steven Levine was drawn into his profession because he loves the human story. But as a doctor, he found himself dissatisfied with the options being offered to patients struggling with depression and other forms of mental dis-ease. “People aren’t just a big bag of chemicals,” he says. And there could not be a successful one-size-fits-all approach. He spent a long time looking for innovative treatments for his patients. And he found something unlikely: a drug—ketamine—that’s historically been used as an anesthetic and that seemed to have antidepressant effects. Levine, who now runs clinics (called Actify) that offer ketamine infusions (and other support), is quick to point out that ketamine is not a cure. But for a growing number of people it could be a tool that allows them to break through what has previously felt like impenetrable darkness. Beyond ketamine, Levine believes we are on the cusp of more major frontiers that will change the way we think of and address depression. His work and perspective carry much-deserved hope for us all. (For more, check out The goop Podcast hub.) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Don't hold anything too tightly. Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the
0:10.6	intention of real truth for you, and then let it go. For me our soul is like it's
0:16.8	unbound, it's limitless, but we will use words to limit ourselves. When people
0:23.2	stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming we turn to
0:28.9	ourselves and that's where you become empowered. Courageous participation attracts
0:35.3	positive things. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. This is the Goop podcast, bringing together
0:42.0	thought leaders, culture changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists,
0:47.6	doctors, healers and seekers, here to start conversations because simply asking
0:53.1	questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world.
0:57.6	Today is no exception. I'll let Elise fill you in on her extraordinary guest.
1:03.5	All right, over to Elise.
1:06.8	Steve Levine is a psychiatrist and therapist who began working with ketamine when it first emerged
1:12.0	as a tool for depression and anxiety. He has struggled to find treatment protocols that
1:16.8	worked in his own practice and after a patient told him that the only thing that made her feel
1:20.9	better was cough syrup, he dug into the research to figure out what that might be about.
1:26.4	Enter ketamine. I know you thought it was a party drug. Well, it turns out that it's actually a
1:31.9	groundbreaking tool that can stop suicidal ideation. He'll tell us more about that in our chat.
1:38.0	Depression is a massive mental disease in our culture that is still stigmatized and not well
1:42.7	understood. Steve and I had a powerful conversation about all of this. We also talked about what
1:48.1	ketamine does to the brain and the body, what the process of ketamine infusion therapy is like,
1:52.9	and how is a culture we might need to redefine the meaning of depression. You were fascinating.
1:58.5	When we are talking about a lethal condition like depression, it's extremely important that we
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