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bulwark. Today in the New York Times, we had a video from three former professors of Yale

explaining why they are leaving the country and heading up to the University of Toronto

because of all of the incipient fascism.

The professors are Marcy Shore, Timothy Snyder, Jason Stanley.

I imagine you have some thoughts about this, my friend.

Well, everybody keeps sending it to me because it turns out I'm in it.

I'm in this New York Times piece. And it's like they are saying they are leaving because of the fascism. They're like, hey, we're historians. We know what it was like back in the early, you know, 30s. And, you know, people didn't see it coming, but we see this coming and we got to get out of here. But then they show a bunch of clips of people sort of warning how bad it is. And one of them is my, you know, close up face. It's like me on Nicole Wallace. To make people afraid of speaking out against him. It's like when you showed up in the Mark Carney had. I did show up in the Mark Carney ad. You're the queen of B-roll. The Canadian, I wish we had done this in this, but the now Canadian prime minister

used in his closing ad, his closing ad, his closing ad was about how they didn't want to

be like America, and they didn't want us to be weak and divided.

And it cuts to a clip of me yelling at Scott Jennings on CNN. And I was like, hey, I'm glad I can be there for you, bud. But it is funny when people send me these things. I'm like, why don't care about this ad from the Canadian, like, guy? And then I'm like, oh, I'm in it, cool. But anyway, but watching the thing from the professors was interesting.

And actually, I really do wonder what you think about it in light of the triad that you wrote today,

which was a bleak bummer of a triad directed squarely at my worldview in which we mean we're going to unpack this was it yeah yeah

that whole thing was Sarah Bain I don't think that it wasn't intended that way it was really me

talking with myself our listeners do not know how sarcastic you're being right now okay they can't

tell I can see it in your eyes.

I know. We're going to do this tomorrow on the secret pod. So if you guys want to hear a

knockdown dragout between me and JVL, first subscribe to the Borg, then read his triad,

then come listen to us on the secret pod on Friday tomorrow. But for today, since we're going

to have to spend all day tomorrow fighting, I just, I wonder what you think about this in light of your idea that sort of people are unsalvageable and American voters are unsalvageable.

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