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Welcome back everybody. This is the Tom Harbin program. I'm Jefferson Smith.

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Right now we've got Donald Cohen.

He's the executive director of In The Public Interest and the co-author of

I've got the book here, I'm going to show, I'm going to hold it up.

Privatization of everything, how the plunder of public goods transformed America and how we can fight back.

What's public, what's private, what ought to be public, what ought to be

only owned by one or a few people's critical topic, Donald Cohen here

to talk to us about it. Mr. Cohen, thank you so much for being with us.

Thanks for having me. How'd you get into this mess?

Well, that's a long story. Well, I've been working on these issues for many years.

I run an organization that's been around for about 12 years and did, you know,

for the previous 20, did similar work. And fundamentally because I came to believe in the,

even in the early 90s, that if we want to deliver on, you know, solve the big problems that we have,

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