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🗓️ 7 April 2025
⏱️ 13 minutes
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0:00.0 | One of the objections that Trinitarians sometimes throw at oneness Pentecostals is John 17-5, where Jesus |
0:13.5 | said, I have glorified you on the earth, and I have finished the work which you have given me to do, |
0:18.9 | and now, Father, glorify me together with |
0:21.8 | yourself, with the glory which I had with you before the world was. Is this an indication |
0:27.4 | that Jesus pre-existed the incarnation? We're going to talk about that on this episode of |
0:32.9 | apostolic life in the 21st century. Dr. Bernard, one of the most common objections, or I don't know about |
0:39.7 | most common, but one common objection that we see often is this verse John 17, 5, taken from the |
0:48.2 | prayer of Jesus. By the way, you did talk about why did Jesus pray in a previous episode? People |
0:53.2 | can go check that out. It's |
0:54.3 | episode 181 if they want to go search for that on YouTube or on our Apple podcast or their other |
0:59.9 | podcast app. But Jesus said this during his prayer. He said, I have glorified you on the earth. |
1:05.6 | I have finished the work which you have given me to do. And now, O Father, glorify me together with yourself with the glory |
1:12.5 | which I had with you before the world was. Now, one is Pentecostals don't believe that the son of God |
1:21.2 | existed prior to the incarnation. Trinitarians often bring up this verse and ask the question, how do you, if that's not the case, |
1:31.0 | how do you explain John 17.5? So I'm throwing that at you. How do Oneness Pentecostals explain |
1:35.9 | John 175? Sure. And for those that want an in-depth answer, I actually have a chapter in my book, |
1:42.9 | The Oneness View of Jesus Christ, which goes in a great |
1:45.8 | depth here. So let's take a look at it. It's very insightful, very valuable, and a very strong |
1:51.1 | oneness passage. So let's look at it from a Trinitarian point of view. So the common Trinitarian |
1:56.7 | statement would be there are three persons in the Trinity, and you see two of them here, the Father and the Son, they're co-equal, they're co-Eternal, and the Son is praying to the Father. |
2:06.3 | On the surface, that sounds like a good explanation, but when you look at it carefully, it falls apart. |
2:11.5 | First of all, and you mentioned we already have an episode, Why Did Jesus Pray? |
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