This is Kyle Worley, and I'm joined by my co-host Jen Wilkin and J.T. English.

And today we are joined by our friend, our colleague, our current peer and discipleship

resourcing Elizabeth Woodson. Elizabeth is a Bible teacher speaker, the founder

of the Woodson Institute and the host of the podcast starting place with Elizabeth Woodson

and Shalomys. She is the author of a number of books and Bible studies, including the recently

released Habits of Resistance. Seven ways you are being formed by culture and gospel practices to help you push back.

Elizabeth. Thanks for making time to jump on here with us. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.

You know what? Elizabeth, you have a very presentable backdrop. I have seen. I'm telling you, I've been

doing this for years now, Elizabeth, and it's like some people

have given absolutely zero thought to what is behind them.

And you clearly have manicured this.

And I just want to say, I see it and I respect it.

You know, I appreciate that.

I spent a lot of time organizing my books just for this podcast.

So we did a refresh just for knowing things. Because I know it matters for y'all. You know, because you would talk about me. Is that a live plant? No. There are no live plants. Okay. That makes me feel better. It's a bridge too far. Any live plant we've ever had in our house, we have killed. I'm sorry, Jen. We have killed so quickly. And like it's whatever the opposite of a green thumb is, that's what I have.

Kyle, do you know... plant we've ever had in our house we have killed i'm sorry jen we have killed so quickly and like it's

whatever the opposite of a green thumb is that's what i have kyle do you know i still have the plant you gave me

and it's and it's alive it's thriving oh wow and every time i look at it i think of kawarly when uh the revelation

launch oh my gosh you Yeah. Exist.

Yeah.

That would have been in the trash at our house five weeks later.

Hey, that's a, there's my real plant right there.

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