There are 27 books in the New Testament, but there's a misconception about how they came together.

The 27 books we have in our New Testament were the arbitrary choice of those in power,

and the whole narrative is that, well, Constantine basically picked the books himself and forced them

on the church and then banished all others. That all sounds really interesting and good. The problem

is it just doesn't fit with the facts of history.

So what are the facts? How can we know if all the right books and only the right books made it

into the new and old testament? Today on renewing your mind, we're bringing you a seminar from the

2022 Ligonier National Conference. Our host, Barry Cooper, asked Dr. Michael Krueger to address the

question, how did we get the Bible? Dr. Krueger, you will know is a world-class scholar on this

question that we want to talk about, which is how did we get our Bible? He's also president

and Samuel C. Patterson, professor of New Testament and early Christianity at Reformed Theological

Seminary in Charlotte. Something I didn't know about you until recently was that you studied

under Bart Ehrman as an undergraduate. Now, for those people who don't know that name and are

unfamiliar, maybe could you explain a little bit about who he is and maybe how you got to be so

interested in this subject? Well, that's a great opening question. Let me just say welcome to

everybody. Glad you're here. Just so you know, as a humorous side note, I didn't know there was

going to even be a crowd at this interview. So I thought it was in a studio and so it's great

to see all these live faces here. Yeah, it was mentioned that when I was an undergraduate

University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, I had Bart Ehrman as a professor. I was a freshman.

I had shown up to my college years as a committed believer and there I was in a classroom and

at the time Bart Ehrman wasn't even famous, but he proceeded to attack the New Testament, tell me

why it was filled with fabricated stories and pseudonymous authors and how it wasn't transmitted

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