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This is Hidden Killers with Tony Brewski. We are unpacking today the bizarre and infuriating twists of the Long Island serial

killer case, a true crime cocktail shaken with equal parts, disturbing mystery, police

corruption, and a suspect who hid in plain sight for decades. After more than a decade of

investigation hitting dead ends, why was it suddenly so simple to put the pieces together and

was the biggest obstacle to justice actually the people who were supposed to provide it?

Here to help us make sense of the behavior's motivation and the spectacular law enforcement

missteps in this unsettling case.

Retired FBI Special Agent, Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program,

Robin Dreek.

Robin, let's start with something that hasn't, uh, or let's start with something here that's

been bugging all of us.

How does a serial killer manage to live in an unassuming life for over a decade, seemingly right under law enforcement's nose, having a wife, having kids, interacting with the public, and all the while, nobody has an idea this is the guy.

That's a great question, isn't it? And every one of these cases brings different individuals

into play and obviously suspects like Hurerman. But I think with him, it's kind of unique in the

fact that I think I'm going to use a phraseology here that I don't think

we've used before and that is I think he groomed society into normalcy with his behavior

because he was doing this for such a long time and because the only reason I think that

is because I think he groomed his family into what was normal for him.

You know, baby steps at the very beginning, as James Clear talks about, entomic habits.

He didn't go from zero to murder, zero to serial killer.

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