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I do wonder, to a certain extent, did she realize that this was going to be the consequence

to encouraging this type of behavior?

I don't know.

I mean, I'm just my conjecture on obviously some of the statements that she's made publicly,

not the brightest in many cases of what you shouldn't, shouldn't do for your own best interest.

But that's my conjecture.

So I wouldn't be surprised somewhat if initially she didn't think that there were

going to be consequences for this, but I would think as you go down this road a couple years,

you start to see and everybody's calling out saying, hey, this is not okay. You can't be doing

this. And then to continue on with it, would that be, I mean, would the pattern of behavior really show what

it is? Like, once, look, there's no sensible reason why you wouldn't know this would be intimidation,

but you kept on doing it. Is that the bar that needs to be crossed to kind of show that there is

some consciousness of guilt in this sort of a play? Tony, the pattern of conduct is a very important consideration and one way to prove what's

going on inside someone's head.

Like you said, when this was initially happening, maybe Karen Reid wasn't on board

with witness intimidation, that kind of thing, but as she's seeing it play out repeatedly over the course of weeks and months with multiple

different witnesses coming forward saying they felt intimidated.

And then she continues in her course of action, which is providing this information,

including allegedly witness addresses and locations.

There it starts to show to a reasonable person, common sense would dictate,

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