meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Think from KERA

How dictators prop each other up

Think from KERA

KERA

Kera, 071003, Think, Society & Culture, Krysboyd

4.7911 Ratings

🗓️ 8 August 2024

⏱️ 46 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Autocrats are rising across the globe — is democracy to blame? Anne Applebaum, staff writer at The Atlantic, joins host Krys Boyd to discuss dictators from Putin to Maduro, the networks they rely on, and why democracies around the world have been complicit in the rise of these despots. Her book is “Autocracy, Inc.: The Dictators Who Want to Run the World.”

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

To succeed as an autocrat, you might spend a lot of time talking about democracy.

0:15.0

Sometimes the point is to feed the illusion that your regime actually is a democracy,

0:19.6

even if elections are a sham and dictators

0:21.9

stick around as long as they want. But often in the 21st century, the point of talking about

0:27.1

democracy is to convince everybody that it's always an illusion, or at least a bad deal,

0:33.0

and that the source of real stability is a strong man leader. From KERA in Dallas, this is think.

0:40.1

I'm Chris Boyd.

0:41.6

The other big trend in modern authoritarian rule is that the people who sees power expect much more than power.

0:48.2

They're going for wealth, squeezing every last drop of personal profit from their position

0:53.1

atopoeckocratic regimes.

0:55.5

And like captains of industry in the Gilded Age, they are often open to colluding with one

1:00.6

another as long as all the dictators involved get something out of the deal.

1:04.6

Anne Applebaum is a staff writer at the Atlantic and author of the new book Autocracy, Inc.

1:09.5

The Dictators Who want to run the world.

1:12.0

And welcome back to think.

1:13.1

Thank you.

1:13.6

We can all point to examples of authoritarian leaders historically driven by extreme ideologies,

1:19.2

willing to kill for some misguided principle of how the world should be organized.

1:23.7

But what you describe here is maybe more chilling.

1:27.1

These guys care less about political philosophy than about what's in it for them.

1:32.8

So some of them do care about political philosophy and some of them have ideas.

1:38.6

Certainly, for example, Vladimir Putin believes that he deserves to recreate a Russian empire, that he's allowed to conquer

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from KERA, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of KERA and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.