Hi, I'm Jonathan Cape Heart, and welcome to Cape Up.

This week we revisit the story of Derek Black. He was born into a family that was prominent in the world

of white supremacy and was considered an heir to the throne of white nationalism until he went

to college. His transformation was expertly chronicled by Eli Saslow,

Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for the Washington Post,

in his book, Rising Out of Hatred,

the awakening of a former white nationalist.

Eli Saslow, thank you very much for being on the podcast.

Thanks so much for having me on.

Okay, so your book is pretty incredible because it's the story about a young man named Derek Black.

Tell us who Derek Black is.

Sure.

Actually who Derek Black was. Yeah Yeah exactly. I think was is the

keyword. You know Derek was raised sort of within the very insular world of

the white nationalist movement.

His father, Don Black, had been the head of the K K KKK in the United States for a decade.

And then later in his life had started Stormfront, which is sort of the epicenter of racism online.

It's the largest for 20 years.

It has been the largest sort of racist website in the world.

Derek's godfather was David Duke, probably the most notorious racist politician of modern times.

And both of those men raised Derek kind of in their in their image to take over this movement and to mainstream it and because Derek was really really smart and in that case I should say is really smart and also really ambitious he

invested himself in these ideas that kind of you know he'd been indoctrinated

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