How Dems Can Defeat MAGA Once and For All
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🗓️ 25 January 2026
⏱️ 82 minutes
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What will it take for Democrats to win not just in 2026, but in 2028 and beyond? What do we need to change to win again in Iowa, Texas, and Florida? What's more important: a candidate's ability to communicate or their ability to govern? Dan talks to David Plouffe, former campaign manager for Barack Obama and senior advisor to Kamala Harris, about some hard truths the Democratic Party needs to get its head around. The two discuss why Democrats need to take a firmer stance on political corruption, how the to-be-determined 2028 primary map could shape that race, and why they're both hoping that an outsider emerges as the party's next presidential nominee.
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| 1:01.0 | There's no safe like SimplySafe safe. Welcome to Potsave America. I'm Dan Pfeiffer. Back when I worked for Barack Obama on his campaigns |
| 1:29.0 | and in the White House, whenever we faced a political crisis, when things felt like they were falling apart all around us, |
| 1:34.3 | President Obama would call a strategy meeting. They would last all day. Sometimes they're at his house. |
| 1:38.4 | Sometimes they were in a nearby office. But every single time, they would last hours and hours. |
| 1:43.1 | We get the whole gang together to try to figure out what went wrong and how we could fix it. |
| 1:47.4 | We didn't answer every question, but we always left the meeting with a plan. |
| 1:50.2 | The conversations around the table focus on my mind had made me smarter. |
| 1:53.8 | And even as I have celebrated Democratic victories and touted Trump's declining poll numbers in recent weeks, I have had the sinking suspicion that too many people |
| 2:00.9 | in my party are whistling past the graveyard. Trump's blunders are masking the political crisis |
| 2:05.2 | the Democratic Party is in. To figure out how to get out of it, I wanted to have one of those |
| 2:09.6 | strategic conversations like the ones I used to have in the Obama days. And there was no better |
| 2:13.8 | person to have that conversation with than David Pluff. He was Obama's campaign manager |
| 2:17.6 | in 2008, his top political advisor in the White House during the reelection, my boss in both of those |
| 2:22.9 | occasions, and was senior advisor to Kamala Harris during the 2024 campaign. David is one of the |
| 2:28.0 | smartest and most strategic people in democratic politics, and I wanted to sit down with him |
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