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Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I'm Shilka Paddy joined by my friend Lindsay

Jones. We're talking defense today. I had to write a piece for the Ringer ranking

all the defenses. It was very difficult. I think I've done this three or four years

in a row, Lindsay. And this year, as you know, because you were editing it, I couldn't

make up my mind. I was switching on all over the place. So you're going to chime in today.

Let me know which teams I should have had higher, maybe which teams I should have had

lower. We're going to go through some of these teams. How does that sound?

Sounds good. I was I was pretty in agreement with you on your top teams. There were a couple

in the middle, though, that I was like, Shilka, I think you're really excited about this

team. Like, let's let's bump them up a little bit. You were you could I could tell in

your writing that you believed in them, even though I maybe didn't personally myself.

And we're going to get into a couple of those teams that maybe I'm higher on than you

were. And maybe a couple that I'm like, maybe we should rein it in.

Reign it in a little bit.

Well, the defense is so hard to do because there's huge swings year to year. I mean, the

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