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Better Offline

How DeepSeek Showed That Silicon Valley Is Washed

Better Offline

Cool Zone Media and iHeartPodcasts

Technology

4.6687 Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Ed Zitron explains how the emergence of a much-more-efficient generative AI model has become an existential threat to the future of OpenAI and Anthropic - and tells a dark story about the death of innovation in Silicon Valley.

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This is Better Offline.

1:14.3

And as I've written about many, many, many, many times and argued on this very podcast just as often, the large language models run by companies like OpenAI, Anthropic, Google and meta, are unprofitable and unsustainable, and the transformer-based architecture, they run on as peaked. They're running out of training data, and the actual capabilities of these models were peaking as far back as March 2024.

1:16.6

Nevertheless, I'd assumed, incorrectly, by the way, that there would be no way to make

1:20.8

them more efficient, because I had assumed, also incorrectly, that the hyperscalers, along

1:25.5

with Open AI and Anthropic, would be constantly looking

1:28.2

for ways to bring down the ruinous cost of their services. After all, Open AI lost $5 billion last

1:34.2

year, and that's after $3.7 billion in revenue, too, and Anthropic lost just under $3 billion in

1:40.1

2024. And in the last episode, I told you a little bit about Deepseek, by the way,

1:45.1

in this one we're going to get into, well, how fucked things might actually be. But what I didn't

1:49.9

wager was that potentially nobody was actually trying to make these models more efficient.

1:55.1

My mistake was, if you can believe this, being too generous to the AI companies, assuming

2:00.3

that they didn't pursue efficiency because they couldn't, and not because they couldn't be bothered.

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