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Hello and welcome to you, Coffeehouse Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Isabel Hardman and I'm joined by James Forsyth and Katie Balls. Well, there is a fight

between the Chancellor and the Prime Minister or should I say a new fight in the ongoing tensions

between the two men. Katie, what's been going on? Quite a lot. Also not that much, depending on how

you look at it. There's been reports of tension

for some time and I think we've all covered that in recent months and between the Treasury and

number 10 on spending. Then we saw, I think, probably more personal tensions as of last

week with that leak of that letter which Rishi Sunak wrote to Boris Johnson calling for an easing

of travel restrictions. Now, we know that

landed badly and there was a blame game as to who was behind the leak. And then the Sunday Times

reported this weekend in the Monday morning meeting after that story had broken, Boris Johnson

realizing Rishy Sionk was not in the meeting, said, or made what was

either a fret or a joke, depending how you look at it, suggesting that actually he was thinking

Rishi Sulek would make a very good health secretary and that could be a really good role for him.

Now, I think we can all agree that if you're a chancellor, being moved to health secretary,

it's not a promotion at the best

of times, least of all in a pandemic, when, as you've covered, it's about that intray is looking

increasingly daunting. Now, I think there are a few interesting things about this. One is the fact

that it leaked in the first place. This was an all number 10 meeting. So it's hard to shoot

blame to other departments for how this has come out. And then secondly,

I think it just adds a lot in terms of there's been an effort trying downplay tensions. And I think

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