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Tides of History

How Data Happened: Professors Chris Wiggins and Matthew L. Jones on the History of Data

Tides of History

Wondery / Patrick Wyman

Documentary, Society & Culture, History

4.86.3K Ratings

🗓️ 23 March 2023

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Chris Wiggins and Matthew Jones, authors of the new book How Data Happened: A History from the Age of Reason to the Age of Algorithms, join Patrick to discuss the history of data, why enumerating things isn't a neutral act, and the ethics of building a world on the foundation of data.


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0:06.0

Hi everybody from Wondery, welcome to another episode of Tides of History.

0:22.0

It's great to have you all here and thanks for joining me.

0:24.8

We live in a world that is increasingly made up of data.

0:28.2

We navigate that world using tools that are built on huge repositories of data.

0:33.0

We ourselves are data, collections of tiny bits of information housed in an unknowable

0:37.5

number of places on the internet.

0:39.2

Our pet elections, our interests, our voting patterns, our credit score, and everything

0:43.4

else about us are products to be sold to advertisers.

0:46.9

To varying degrees most of us simply take all that for granted.

0:49.8

It's how the world is and it's pretty difficult to simply opt out.

0:53.2

But everything has a history and it's not a history the vast majority of us are familiar

0:57.6

with.

0:58.6

How did it get that way?

0:59.7

How did data happen?

1:02.1

Today's guests, two guests, plural, have written a wonderful new book that explains our

1:06.8

increasing entanglement with data entitled How Data Happened, a history from the age of

1:11.3

reason to the age of algorithms.

1:13.9

Chris Wiggins is associate professor of applied mathematics at Columbia University and

1:17.7

Chief Data Scientist at the New York Times.

1:20.2

Matthew Jones is a historian of science.

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