Welcome to Words Matter with Katie Barlow and Joe Lockhart.

Welcome to Words Matter, I'm Katie Barlow.

Our goal is to promote objective reality.

As a wise man once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not their own facts.

Words have power and words have consequences.

So Joe, you and Adam sat down last week with the author of The Art of the Deal, not Donald

Trump, the real author, Tony Schwartz.

Joe, a lot of journalists have studied and written about Donald Trump, but Tony has probably

spent more time with him than anyone else outside the Trump family.

I'm sorry you missed it, but it was a fascinating 45 minutes with Tony.

We got a real sense of how Donald Trump works or doesn't work as the case may be.

I'm not going to give you the questions, you have to listen for the answer.

But we quoted James Comey to him about losing a little bit of your soul and I asked him

if he'd lost his soul to Donald Trump and the answer is well worth listening to.

Oh, good question.

You know, right at the end I asked him if whatever legal authority or political authority

had the goods on Donald Trump, what would it take to get Donald Trump to resign the office

of the presidency?

And his answer was fascinating there.

Let's listen to the full interview.

He's the author of The Art of the Deal, not Donald Trump, the real author, Tony Schwartz.

And it's a book he now says should be reclassified as a work of fiction.

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