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Politics Weekly UK

How dangerous are Labour’s asylum plans?

Politics Weekly UK

The Guardian

News, Politics

4.01.4K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

There was outrage from Labour MPs on Monday evening as Shabana Mahmood outlined her plans to shake up the asylum system. Will these policies be watered down? John Harris finds out what is happening behind the scenes with Kiran Stacey. Plus, now that Labour has adopted Reform UK rhetoric on immigration, where does the party go from here? John talks to Guardian columnists Gaby Hinsliff and Rafael Behr. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/politicspod

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0:00.0

This is The Guardian.

0:11.2

Attempting to out-reform reform is actually just boosting this baseless, far-right narrative.

0:18.7

I couldn't care less what any other political party has to say.

0:21.6

There is a genuine problem in this asylum system, and we need someone to sort it out.

0:26.6

Never mind that the government seems to be falling apart.

0:29.3

Shabana Mahmoud was on belligerent form as she announced her asylum plans.

0:33.8

If you backed Labour last year, is this what you voted for?

0:36.8

I'm John Harris, and you're listening to Politics Weekly UK for The Guardian.

0:42.1

There's been a lot going on at Westminster this week, so I'm joined by my fellow Politics

0:45.9

Weekly UK presenter, Kieran Stacey.

0:47.9

Hello, Kieran.

0:48.8

Hi, John.

0:50.0

We're going to talk about Shabana Mahmoud and how her announcement on asylum went down in a minute.

0:54.4

But let's quickly talk about this big Chinese spy story which broke on Tuesday night.

0:59.8

Tell us what you know and how serious it seems.

1:02.2

Yeah, this was a bit of a surprise and a thrust upon us during Tuesday's Commons session.

1:07.3

Dan Jarvis, the security minister, stood up unexpectedly and gave a statement about what he called a covert and calculated attempt to recruit people who work in Parliament.

1:17.7

And the specific way that we're told Chinese officials were trying to do so was through two LinkedIn profiles, which were linked to the Chinese intelligence services.

1:26.2

One said it was from a company called

1:28.9

BRYR executive search, and another said it was from a company called the internship union. Basically,

1:35.8

they were offering to pay people who worked in Parliament around £20,000 to write reports

1:40.8

for them on what they said was kind of non-public information.

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