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The Lawfare Podcast

How Cyber Criminals Can Exploit ChatGPT

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πŸ—“οΈ 13 February 2023

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Since it launched in November of last year, ChatGPT has been subject to widespread attention. Cyber criminals have been quick to try to find ways to abuse the AI tool for their own purposes, from improving their phishing emails and supporting money-making schemes, to writing malware. Could ChatGPT help lower entry barriers for less skilled cyber criminals to be? 

To answer that question, Lawfare fellow in technology policy and law Eugenia Lostri sat down with Alexander Leslie, associate threat intelligence analyst at Recorded Future. Alexander was the lead analyst for the recent report, β€œI, Chatbot,” which looked at how threat actors are trying to misuse ChatGPT. They discussed who are the threat actors that can benefit from it the most, the impact this will have on the cybercrime-as-a-service business model, and how to think through mitigation strategies. 

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A lot of them said as they shared code or as they shared fishing prompts,

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that this was the first time ever that they had developed something from nefarious purposes,

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and that they have no technical skills whatsoever.

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So the cybercriminals that we saw using chat gpt for malicious purposes were

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ones that you can like akin to script kitties or ones with low technical skills

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that really didn't have any idea how to say program a info stealer

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before using chat gpt.

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I am a jenny and ahthig.

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Fellow in technology policy and law at law fair.

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And this is the law fair podcast February 13, 2023.

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Since it launched in November of last year, chat gpt has been subject to widespread attention.

1:29.0

Cybercriminals have been quick to try to find ways to abuse the AI tool for their own purposes,

1:36.0

from improving their fishing emails and supporting money making schemes, to writing malware.

1:42.0

Could chat gpt help lower entry barriers for less skilled cybercriminals to be?

1:49.0

To answer that question, I sat down with Alexander Leslie, associate threat intelligence analyst

1:56.0

at recorded future.

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