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Welcome to the gospel coalition podcast, equipping the next generation of believers, pastors, and church leaders to shape life and ministry around the gospel.

On today's episode, you'll hear a message from Michael Keller, originally given at TGC's 2023 Netherlands Conference.

As been discussed today, Europe is in a post-secular age, and America is secularizing.

Both in spaces that are not in a world where there are numerous militant, atheistic, hostile people to religion.

There was an AP poll, which is an American poll that came out this week, that polled 1,000 people.

And they found that 43% of 18 to 29-year-olds associate themselves as individuals that take on no religion.

And I heard case earlier today say that for the Dutch, it's about 60 to 70%. If you go to Japan, it's 70%.

If you go to Italy, actually 80% of Italians say they're Catholic, but only 20% go to church regularly, so you can kind of read in there as well.

But what we're finding is over and over again, most people are not hostile necessarily to religion.

Instead, as Terry Eagleton, the British literary theorist says, he says, societies become secular, not when they dispense with religion altogether, but when they are no longer especially agitated by it.

So in other words, it's less your wrong and more so what? Why should I care?

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