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This is the Tom Hartman program.

Welcome back to our program.

I'm Lila and this is Professor Adam Tuz.

This is our conversations with great minds hour, something we occasionally do on this program.

Adam Tuz is the Catherine and Shelby Column Davis professor of history at Columbia University.

The author of seven books, including Crash, how a decade of financial crisis changed the world,

his latest book, which we'll be discussing today, is shut down how the COVID shook the world's economy.

And Dr. Tuz, welcome to the program, an extraordinary book that you've written here.

You start off by talking about how the world is vastly unprepared or underprepared for this crisis that hit us.

What is the foundation of this?

Well, it's good to be here on the show.

Thank you very much for having me.

It's kind of puzzling actually because you can't simply say that we didn't know that this

a crisis like this could happen.

Scientists have been warning us decades that it could.

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