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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics and now the Joe Biden presidency.

We will be looking at how a 78-year-old president will change America and we'll be asking if normalcy, which is what he promised to bring, has returned to American politics.

The answer, of course, is no. I'm delighted to be joined by Rebecca Nagel, who is the host of this land, which is a hugely

successful and excellent podcast, and a podcast that's just concluded its second season. Both seasons

of the podcast deal with the issue of the sovereignty of Native American reservations. Rebecca, please bear in mind

that there's quite a strong British audience here who probably aren't too well across these issues.

So perhaps you could just start by explaining your background, how you got into this podcast

and the lay of the land, as it were. Absolutely. So I'm a citizen

of Cherokee Nation, and so, you know, I've always had an interest in tribal sovereignty, you know,

and what tribal sovereignty means really is just our right as indigenous nations to self-govern, you know, to say what happens on our land to our waterway, you know, what happens, what laws we can pass that affect our citizens.

And, you know, that isn't something that's given to us by the United States federal government.

It's inherent. We've existed since the U.S. became a country. But because of colonialism, we have to

pretty consistently negotiate that with the U.S. federal government. And so this land podcast covers

two big federal court cases that really impact that. So the first season

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