Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I am the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs magazine.

And I am here with my co-editor, Current Affairs Online Editor,

Lily Sanchez, Hello Lily.

Hi everyone.

Our guest today is Jennifer Tom.

She is a legal scholar and a professor at the Western New England University School of Law. She's testified

before Congress before. She's appeared on MSNBC and CNN. She is the author of the book

Big Dirty Money, making white-collar criminals pay available from Penguin Books, which the San Francisco Chronicle calls blood boiling.

And Jesse Isiger, who has been a previous guest on current affairs, says is sweeping and

comprehensive and contains a groundbreaking series of imaginative solutions to refocus our efforts

on combating elite crime to help American society recover. Professor Tob,

thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. And Nathan, please call me,

Jennifer. Okay, okay. Jennifer, I can do that. So let's start with a big picture overview.

Your book is about white-collar crime.

Your book is about how we have in this country a lot of it, a lot of it that goes unpunished.

It is about the double standard between street crime and white-collar crime. So perhaps we could start with you laying out what the types of offenses that you are interested in in this book, the various things that you think are gotten

away with too much, go unprosecuted, get slaps on the wrist, what the sort of general

categories of things we're talking about here are?

I am so glad you asked that question, and that's not just a fluff response designed to give

me an opportunity to stall. It's because you said, I mean, it could have a

dual purpose, but you said offenses, and you didn't say offenders. And that's, so just to, just for

those, you know, listening, what I hear myself being asked is what types of offenses are prevalent and folks get away with.

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