Today on gun talk nation, we've got Travis Gibson with MGM targets. Travis is a competitive shooter, a gun builder, and a generally really fun guy. Here we go.

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Welcome into gun talk nation today on gun talk nation. A guy who wears many hats. He's a competitive shooter. He also actually works on the gun industry sometimes, I guess.

Travis Gibson MGM targets. Welcome in man. Thanks for having me boss. I appreciate it. Glad to be here. So yeah, it's good to see you. I mean, I think we see each other shows and then of course we had Travis as one of our guest competitors builders on the build box show. That was fun.

I enjoyed the heck out of that thing going into it. It was I kind of forgotten what it was, you know, what it took to do that kind of work. And when I got there, it was coming Russian back to me really quickly that yes, I had forgotten what it was like to do some of that work. But I'll say, oh man, I'm great time. That was a complete riot.

Well, we thought you'd be fun. Well, you're fun guy. And I know you're a tinkerer. I mean, something about competitive shooters tend to be tinkerers. What's up with that?

It's you're 100% right now. I was just thinking about some of the stuff that I had hobbled together, you know, in the past the other day, I was thinking about this and.

And you know, I think a lot of the cool thing about the competitive industry, you know, and especially not to diminish what we've got going on now, but like 10 years ago, you know, I went to a job we were doing a work thing at Fort Riley, Kansas.

And the guy that I was meeting there, he's like, oh, you got to come check out these thing, you know, and whatever he found out I was a three gunner. So he was all excited. He's like, you got to come check out this thing, my new squad, my squad got it's awesome.

And so what it was, it was a tragic con a cog with a red dot on the top of it. I'm like cool, bro, been doing that for like eight years.

And like, and it was brand new to him, you know, but just those sorts of things and the innovation that comes from the competitive side of the house out, you know, into the into the real world's always cool to see.

Absolutely. They say that about cars, right? They say the the racers and then all of a sudden five or 10 years there that trickles down to some of what we see as far as like just in cars today.

And I say that about red dots all the time because it's like everybody is they're starting to shoot with red dots. They're actually carrying guns with red dots.

And it takes a little while to get used to it. But I've said, look, competitive shooters and then like the top tier military guys.

When when you tell them you get to pick anything you want, like open division, pick anything you want to go fast and accurate, they put a red dot on a gun.

Back, yeah, 100% all the time. Yeah, we're not doing our insights and scopes anymore. It's yeah, if you like you said, if you want to be fast and accurate, especially for close stuff, yeah, red dots all the way.

And it's and it's measured, especially when it comes to competitive shooters. So it's like, it's not a debate. Somebody could go, well, I'm not really as fast with the red dot. Well, you just need more time on it because it's absolutely better.

100% yes, that is exactly right. You know, and and with that. So, so when I started shooting pretty serious in like 2004, I think is when it was.

And then the red dot started picking up some steam in 2006. You know, I mean, you saw a couple of them, but you know, and to see where we went from 2006 to now and like, like even little punk and roller police departments like where I live out in the, you know, up in the hills, they're starting to get them, like makes me excited to see what's going to be coming in the next 10 years or 15 years.

You know, that sort of thing. Yeah, it's cool, and especially certainly for law enforcement, just helping those folks be better, be better at their job.

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