I'm Gideon Litchfield, I'm the editor-in-chief of Wired.

And I'm Lauren Good, I'm a senior writer at Wired.

We're making a new show.

Have a nice future.

I'm more have a nice future, question mark.

It's a show that is honest about how unsettling the future can be.

We're going to be bringing on the people shaping this future.

We're going to ask them about the big challenges we face, about the challenges they're creating,

and how they deal with living in perpetual uncertainty as we all do.

So make sure you follow Have a Nice Future wherever you get your podcasts.

Thanks for having me.

So color change has been in the news a lot recently around Facebook boycotts.

You just had a meeting with Mark Zuckerberg.

There's the civil rights audit that Facebook just released.

You've been talking about that.

But I want to start, the very start for people.

What is color change?

Color of change is an organization that works to hold government and corporations accountable.

We are a forest driven by nearly 7 million black folks and allies of every race.

And we were founded in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina when black folks were literally

on their roofs begging for the government to do something and they were left to die.

And the thing about Katrina that I think animates so much of our theory of change is that

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